PROJECT:  North Fork Water Supply Study - Scoping Meeting #1

Job No:  14076.00

Date: 07/24/14    


Cody presented a Prezi presentation on the Level I Study, which included the anticipated tasks and schedule for Level I Study. A copy of the presentation is included on Engineering Associate's website. Harry LaBonde commented on how WWDC is funded and how WWDC uses the study information . Dossie Overfield commented on NRWD's history and how they use the study information. The following summarizes the comments from the audience:


NAME/QUESTION     ANSWER             

Don Frisby(Green Creek) -If settlement Ponds are required how will you protect them?- 16 miles of piping these figures are low. Don't work to pay for tap. Opposed adamantly.


The study will gather information to see what kind of system and if feasible. In regards to Settlement ponds cannot say at this meeting at this time.


Coral Sickle - What caused us to get to this point


Approached by folks interested in getting a water system in the area. Majority of response said they would like to see if it is feasible.


Kathy Selby-Concerned about treated water-why do they want chemically treated water. Their well is great.  Will they forced to hook up to the system?


It is your choice if you want to hook-up. State law says you don't have to. You can petition in or out of district but once your in you will always be in. NRWD does not tax-the district is run on user fees only.


Tony Whetland (Attorney for Moon)- Level 1 Study shouldn't have started.  234 landowner signed petitions, concerned about WWDC funding.  35% no vote



Bob - How at the end of this study, who gets a vote to move forward to next study?


At the end of Level 1 Study it will be  determined if the project is feasible. To move to the a Level 2 study a district will have to be formed if there isn't  support to form a district the project would be shelved.


Jim Wilson -

For the study


Chuck (Green Creek) - Protection on future growth.  (look at 30 yrs) Past history is taken in the middle


Past history with Park County.  We will factor in the growth to design the system and how to pay for the system.


Trinity - Copperleaf as a backup on well? (Emergency backup)

Don't tax, how do you secure a loan for the water project.

Copperleaf could be used as back-up or an emergency back-up if necessary.

 You have to have some sort of collateral/guarantee against property.  WWDC has never had a debt go bad

John Macaly- Who will be running the system?  Will there be unnecessary staffing?


If asked, NRWD could operate the system or the district could operate their own system. NRWD has 5 employees and has no problem keeping up with all the users in their district.


Penny Preston - 1) Who specifically asked for this study?

2) What happens to people that have no property?

3) Landowners who have not signed contracts?

4)Studies that show what kind of growth?


1) Residents of Jim Mt. were the small group that approached NRWD about getting water.

2) Nothing above forest line, govt entities would have to sign a contract.

3) Craig Answered - Well below projected water use- not everyone is in brand new developments.

4) Neither Cody or Craig had growth information from since water systems were installed around Cody.


Neal (Wapiti) - 1) When did any survey go out? 

2) Copperleaf would not want to join?

1) Last year 

2) Copperleaf has shown interest in joining or discussed in the study.  Follow-up - A letter received on 8/12/14 now shows that they are no longer interested.

Steve B (Stage Coach) - 1) How many people will it take to get water here?

2) Since NRWD is an existing District, do they still need to vote to create a district?

(Harry ) - 1)Clarify the difference between creating a district and moving to Level 2 Study.

2) Must have a governmental organization to move to a Level 2 study.

Harry Cummings (Jim Mtn Road) - 1) How would you get a pipe up a twirly road?

2) How would you pump water?

3) How would you get water through people's properties that don’t want the water?

1) During the design will have to determine where the pipes will  go,  they might not be next to road.   Tanks designed for NRWD are buried fiberglass tanks.

2) For properties too high, might use a booster station to serve those homes.  Will have to see what is feasible.

3) For those landowners who will not allow the pipe to run through land, will find other private lands, or permits through the county to use the existing County rights-of-way.

Audrey(Ptarmigan)- At this point can you explain a approximate water cost?


Cannot say what the costs are going to be at this time. We will have conceptual cost estimates once the study is completed.


Shawn- 1) Don't want it.  Why would you continue on with the study?

2) What gives us more antimony on choosing what projects happen?

(Harry ) - Through Legislative action, This study shows the need and want.  The Study may show that some areas need the system more then others.


Doug- What is the quickest, legal and most effective way to get rid of this project and not have it come back?


Since this project was signed during the legislative process the only way for the project to be shelved is through the legislative process.


Moon - 235 households & landowners oppose this project.   What is the cost of pump stations?   Would each well be inspected?


We do not have a firm number on the quantity or the costs of pumps at this time, this will be determined in the study.  Each private well on the North Fork will not be inspected.


Arlene Hansen - Information is "sketchy".  When will the information be available and when will we know that it's done?

A lot of people think it's "fishy" that this project got brought back.

Next summer is when the Level 1 Study will be done.

Of the surveys received back to EA in 2013, the majority wanted to look a study.  WWDC will fund studies that have 20 or more houses that want water.

Fales- Look at part time residents compared to full time residents


A questionnaire at the end of the study will see how many are full time residents vs. seasonal


Lindsay - 1) Is detailed funding breakdown available?

2) Do we have to sign up?

3) Cost Prediction/committing before district is created?

4) Once you create a district can it be dissolved?

1) There are different types of funding-State or Federal. We will not know what funding packages will be available until the study is completed.

2) You have the opportunity to op-out of the district during its formation.

3) It can be but it is very difficult going through the legal process.


Harry(Green Creek) - Is the firm who designed the study able to do everything else?

Water Right question on the ditch.

Why or how does the effect of more water to the higher subdivisions affect the ground water to the lower level lands in the valley

Can DEQ sample someone's well and force them to a TW system?

What impact to wildlife?

Can you address additional costs to users from the landline to the house?

No, each level could have a different firm.

First in time is first in right.  As long as the water rights of the ditch are before the rights that the water treatment plant would have it would not impact the ditch's delivery flow.

That information will have to be determined during the study.

No, DEQ can not just sample someone's well water.

There will be slight impacts to wildlife during construction.  Once the waterline is in, there should be no impacts to wildlife

Landowner would be responsible from meter pit to house.  Typical costs to install service line to a house is around $5-$10 per foot.  You will also be required to install an expansion tank.

Jim Wiltze - Appreciation



Erica Balyo- Couple of problems with districting /  Should it be done?

When was the start of the study? 

How many votes does a land developer get?

Will a record of the meeting be posted?


Three weeks ago

NRWD to research, they thought per person, Tony Wheatland said each land .  Follow-up - NRWD's attorney researched and state statue says each person, not each parcel of land gets a vote.


Linda - 1) Sanitation should be considered in the scope of this project. 

2) impacts to wildlife health, migration and winter pasture should be included into the study.

1)  During the course of this study we will be talking with Park County about the sanitation requirements.

2)  We will also be talking with Game and Fish about the potential environmental impacts.

****We did not get all questions recorded due to the volume of people asking the questions at the meeting.  We will also try to keep this list updated as questions come in.  Thanks - Cody Schatz, PE & LS